i think i figured it out.
this obj command gave me the position in pixels.
i was then able to reference it in powershell and hover mouse over button..
that is what i was looking for
1520 let WINDOW_OBJ$=obj(0)
1530 let WINDOW_COLUMN=int(dec(WINDOW_OBJ$(21,2)))
1540 let WINDOW_LINE=int(dec(WINDOW_OBJ$(23,2)))
1550 let BUTTON_OBJ$=obj(BUTTON_1.CTL)
1551 let BUTTON_COLUMN=int(dec(BUTTON_OBJ$(21,2)))
1552 let BUTTON_LINE=int(dec(BUTTON_OBJ$(23,2)))